| 20 Aug 2022 |
 Mathijs | * here's the thing with trademark: the current version of it requires you to protect it | 08:49:55 |
| Mathijs | which, IMO is an implementation error of the law | 08:50:08 |
 Sylvia | I am preeeeeetty sure nobody is going to confuse Framework with Lenovo's Legion lines of laptops | 08:50:19 |
| Sylvia | Trademark law is extremely flawed yeah | 08:50:42 |
| Mathijs | and the answer to this litigation is supposed to be: "is anyone buying this actually going to think it's from lenovo?" "no." "ok, then there's no infringement" | 08:50:54 |
| Mathijs | but unfortunately this is not how trademark law is currently working | 08:51:10 |
| Mathijs | but out of all 'IP' | 08:51:20 |
| Mathijs | * but out of all 'IP' laws, trademark is by far the least bad | 08:51:30 |
| Sylvia | In reply to @zexu:matrix.org
Ubuntu next I do wonder who used circle split into 3 parts first, probably Canonical | 08:52:01 |
| Sylvia | And companies like Dell have been selling laptops with Ubuntu, using the logo in listings | 08:52:27 |
 linsui | And Chrome? | 08:52:29 |
| Sylvia | Chrome has an additional dot in the center :P | 08:52:51 |
| Sylvia | In reply to @SylvieLorxu:matrix.org
And companies like Dell have been selling laptops with Ubuntu, using the logo in listings So I am having trouble seeing how that differs from this, it is both "laptop related with cut up circle" | 08:54:13 |
| Sylvia | Couldn't you argue that if enforcement is required they already failed to do that in the past? | 08:54:53 |
| Sylvia | But Dell is big enough to sue them back, Framework is the small player they do dare to punch down on | 08:55:22 |
| Mathijs | also, specifically this: this looks more like a childish thing than anything else, it doesn't have anything like the same vibe as their 'legion' thing | 08:55:30 |
| Sylvia | I'm also looking through Lenovo marketing material and they only ever seem to use LEGION with the full word, never only the stylized O letter | 08:58:06 |
| Sylvia | I am pretty sure Framework would win a lawsuit over this if it was a fair lawsuit, but it won't be because Lenovo has way more money so they could just push and delay until Framework runs out of money | 09:01:01 |
| Sylvia | Okay someone sent me this picture: | 09:05:14 |
| Sylvia | 
Download image.png | 09:05:17 |
| Sylvia | So that is just the O, although that O looks different to me | 09:05:29 |
| 21 Aug 2022 |
|  mondstern joined the room. | 16:43:21 |
| 22 Aug 2022 |
 FestplattenSchnitzel | https://www.heise.de/news/Nacktscanner-Unbedachte-Fotos-vom-Kind-fuer-den-Arzt-Google-Dienste-gesperrt-7238900.html | 17:58:16 |
| mondstern | Ach das ist auch eine Möglichkeit, seinen Google Account loszuwerden... | 18:39:55 |
| Sylvia | English article: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/21/technology/google-surveillance-toddler-photo.html | 19:18:41 |
| Sylvia | I find most insane that Google refuses to unban him even after the cops literally give him a paper that says he is innocent | 19:19:10 |
| Sylvia | Better to become independent from Google before Google forces you to become independent cold-turkey | 19:19:49 |
| 23 Aug 2022 |
| FestplattenSchnitzel | Wow, Threema added NonFreeNet for Threema Libre. That's quite awesome (b/c honest)! | 18:19:05 |
| Sylvia | Pretty cool | 19:03:55 |
| 25 Aug 2022 |
|  tmw (he/they) changed their display name from tmw (he/him) to tmw (he/him/his). | 18:30:25 |
