| 18 Nov 2022 |
 srr24x7 | The issue is that the majority of our power is still produced with coal, gas, oil and NPPs | 23:19:33 |
 Sylvia | No energy production is 100% renewable. Windmills and solar panels and all still need maintenance and that still uses finite resources | 23:19:54 |
 enigma9o7 (Old) | NPP isnt so much of a problem, is it? | 23:20:00 |
| Sylvia | So we do need to also reduce | 23:20:01 |
| enigma9o7 (Old) | Even gas isn't awful, if you mean natural gas. | 23:20:09 |
| enigma9o7 (Old) | It's the coal and oil that aren't so great for long term survival of the planet. | 23:20:22 |
| srr24x7 | In reply to @SylvieLorxu:matrix.org
No energy production is 100% renewable. Windmills and solar panels and all still need maintenance and that still uses finite resources It is, if you recycle what you already have and remember that our planet doesn't even need zero carbon to begin with, trees would die if there was no carbon for them to transform :D | 23:20:53 |
| srr24x7 | The issue is not that we're producing CO2, it's that we're producing WAY too much | 23:21:16 |
| Sylvia | We can't recycle perfectly. There's a reason why "recycle" is the last entry is "reduce, re-use, recycle" | 23:21:29 |
| enigma9o7 (Old) | CO2 isnt a big problem is it? | 23:21:34 |
| srr24x7 | Plus all the other waste too, not just CO2 | 23:21:34 |
| Sylvia | But even then, we use more energy than we can reproduce renewably | 23:21:44 |
| Sylvia | We need to reduce | 23:21:47 |
| enigma9o7 (Old) | My lawn eats CO2. | 23:21:48 |
| srr24x7 | In reply to @SylvieLorxu:matrix.org
We can't recycle perfectly. There's a reason why "recycle" is the last entry is "reduce, re-use, recycle" That's just a technological issue. | 23:21:57 |
| srr24x7 | And in fact we're recylcing way less today than most people think | 23:22:11 |
| enigma9o7 (Old) | recently mcdonalds in my area switched to plastic cups instead of the old waxpaper cups, i was like wtf! | 23:22:22 |
| srr24x7 | Less than 5% of goods are truely recycled | 23:22:23 |
| enigma9o7 (Old) | but, the reason is, they're recycleable | 23:22:27 |
| enigma9o7 (Old) | the old ones arent cuz of the mixed paper+wax, and apperantly it isnt even actually wax but some kinda plastic | 23:22:42 |
| srr24x7 | Even if some companies pay a lot money for statistics that show numbers like "760%" or "80%" | 23:22:50 |
| srr24x7 | * Even if some companies pay a lot money for statistics that show numbers like "60%" or "80%" | 23:22:54 |
| srr24x7 | Those are pretty much all fake and beautified | 23:23:09 |
| srr24x7 | The truth is it's reall in the single digits | 23:23:32 |
| enigma9o7 (Old) | my city, where we have to bins, one for garbage/landfill and one for recycle (which includes eveyrthing, paper metal glass plastic), recently gave everyone bigger garbage bins | 23:24:15 |
| srr24x7 | In reply to @enigma9o7:matrix.org
but, the reason is, they're recycleable That's probably a big fat lie, although I don't know the specifics. | 23:24:21 |
| enigma9o7 (Old) | they said people were putting too much non-recyclables into the recycle bin | 23:24:25 |
| srr24x7 | Hardly any plastics are really recycled. | 23:24:31 |
| enigma9o7 (Old) | and they t hought people are doing it cuz the recycle bin is big, and trash bin was smaller (unless you paid extra) | 23:24:58 |
| enigma9o7 (Old) | but now everyone gets the giant trash bin, to keep people from putting trash into the recycle bin | 23:25:09 |
