| 16 Aug 2022 |
 Sylvia | https://chaos.social/@SylvieLorxu/108830729824215581 | 04:52:25 |
| Sylvia | This genuinely angers me. Two whole years of sharing a workaround and NOBODY told the dev it was broken | 04:52:47 |
| Sylvia | What the hell :( | 04:52:53 |
| Sylvia | Nvm, user didn't read the README properly | 07:22:08 |
 linsui | Sometimes I don't want report bug when they use their own forum or even Telegram channel for bug report. | 08:28:35 |
 Mathijs | Actually, Sylvia: I wasnt aware of foss firmware for robot vaccuums | 08:30:29 |
| Mathijs | I have a dumb robot vacuum, whicj works fine for most cases | 08:30:51 |
| Mathijs | But with good foss firmware I would be willing to look at "smart" ones | 08:31:26 |
| Mathijs | What would you recommend? | 08:31:39 |
| Sylvia | I think Valetudo currently recommend the Xiaomi Z10 or L10, you should double-check on https://valetudo.cloud | 08:32:29 |
| Mathijs | Do you use it yourself? | 08:33:47 |
| Sylvia | Yeah, on an old Roborock S5 (not MAX) | 08:34:08 |
| Mathijs | Thanks for making me aware of its existence | 08:40:02 |
|  basketballmail2 joined the room. | 12:49:39 |
| 20 Aug 2022 |
| Sylvia | https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/08/lenovo-gets-litigious-makes-framework-redesign-its-3d-printable-motherboard-case/ | 08:47:50 |
| Sylvia | How childish :/ | 08:47:56 |
| Mathijs | yeah, well, kind of | 08:48:38 |
| Mathijs | I'm mostly against all forms of 'intellectual property' | 08:48:59 |
| Mathijs | but trademark does make some sense to me: you don't want to buy product 'B' while thinking you're buying product 'A' | 08:49:34 |
 zexu | Ubuntu next | 08:49:37 |
| Mathijs | here' | 08:49:38 |
| Mathijs | * here's the thing with trademark: the current version of it requires you to protect it | 08:49:55 |
| Mathijs | which, IMO is an implementation error of the law | 08:50:08 |
| Sylvia | I am preeeeeetty sure nobody is going to confuse Framework with Lenovo's Legion lines of laptops | 08:50:19 |
| Sylvia | Trademark law is extremely flawed yeah | 08:50:42 |
| Mathijs | and the answer to this litigation is supposed to be: "is anyone buying this actually going to think it's from lenovo?" "no." "ok, then there's no infringement" | 08:50:54 |
| Mathijs | but unfortunately this is not how trademark law is currently working | 08:51:10 |
| Mathijs | but out of all 'IP' | 08:51:20 |
| Mathijs | * but out of all 'IP' laws, trademark is by far the least bad | 08:51:30 |
| Sylvia | In reply to @zexu:matrix.org
Ubuntu next I do wonder who used circle split into 3 parts first, probably Canonical | 08:52:01 |
