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28 Sep 2021
@cdesai:matrix.orgcdeApp includes some binaries - NonFreeAssets - still somewhat easier to understand?16:29:03
@cdesai:matrix.orgcdeSame with Ads / Trackers / even NSFW / no source / etc.16:29:21
@_oftc_Licaon_Kter[xmpp]:matrix.orgLicaon_Kter[xmpp] 幸猫 (𝗍𝗁𝖾𝗒/𝗍𝗁𝖾𝗆): I'll need to attend to this sooner rahher than later 16:30:00
@obfusk:matrix.org幸猫 (𝗍𝗁𝖾𝗒/𝗍𝗁𝖾𝗆) Licaon_Kter[xmpp]: afaik we have permission to use the name and logo for the f-droid build. 16:31:02
@obfusk:matrix.org幸猫 (𝗍𝗁𝖾𝗒/𝗍𝗁𝖾𝗆)but the wording suggests that the logo is not just trademarked, but also non-free.16:31:40
@cdesai:matrix.orgcdeif something is so confusing that even we can't decide on one interpretation, think about the average user.16:33:49
@_oftc_Licaon_Kter[xmpp]:matrix.orgLicaon_Kter[xmpp] 幸猫 (𝗍𝗁𝖾𝗒/𝗍𝗁𝖾𝗆): so any-other-random anon, trying to build the same app would need to do what? 16:34:28
@_oftc_Licaon_Kter[xmpp]:matrix.orgLicaon_Kter[xmpp]*not F-Droid I mean16:34:39
@obfusk:matrix.org幸猫 (𝗍𝗁𝖾𝗒/𝗍𝗁𝖾𝗆) I think NonFreeNet should be pretty easy: the server code is not free software. but there are obviously related issues that aren't covered by that, which (if important enough) may need their own AF. 16:36:33
@obfusk:matrix.org幸猫 (𝗍𝗁𝖾𝗒/𝗍𝗁𝖾𝗆) Licaon_Kter[xmpp]: replace the logo and name? like we need to to for Fennec? 16:37:00
@obfusk:matrix.org幸猫 (𝗍𝗁𝖾𝗒/𝗍𝗁𝖾𝗆)(though afaik the case w/ fennec is solely trademark-related)16:37:20
@_oftc_Licaon_Kter[xmpp]:matrix.orgLicaon_Kter[xmpp]So their are granting some freedom to F-Droid but not in general?16:37:40
@SylvieLorxu:matrix.orgSylviaWell, yes, but that is good for the end user16:38:51
@SylvieLorxu:matrix.orgSylviaUsers want to be sure that if they download Wire they get... Wire16:38:58
@SylvieLorxu:matrix.orgSylviaNot some weird modified thing not clearly marked as such16:39:14
@SylvieLorxu:matrix.orgSylviaWe do the same with F-Droid itself16:39:21
@obfusk:matrix.org幸猫 (𝗍𝗁𝖾𝗒/𝗍𝗁𝖾𝗆)the f-droid logo is CC-BY-SA 3.0 Unported + GPLv3 dual-licensed. but that's copyright on the SVG, not related to any trademarks.16:41:17
@SylvieLorxu:matrix.orgSylviaHaving to chance the name and logo if you go and modify is just... normal honestly16:42:03
@obfusk:matrix.org幸猫 (𝗍𝗁𝖾𝗒/𝗍𝗁𝖾𝗆)agreed.16:44:35
@SylvieLorxu:matrix.orgSylvia * Having to change the name and logo if you go and modify is just... normal honestly16:44:47
@obfusk:matrix.org幸猫 (𝗍𝗁𝖾𝗒/𝗍𝗁𝖾𝗆)but do we consider a non-free logo a non-free asset? (even if trademarks would forbid use for modified versions anyway even if the logo were GPL or CC)16:45:47
@obfusk:matrix.org幸猫 (𝗍𝗁𝖾𝗒/𝗍𝗁𝖾𝗆)but how small a modification counts? if the f-droid build is not 100% binary identical to upstream, is it "modified"? or if we only remove some non-free dependency?16:48:11
@obfusk:matrix.org幸猫 (𝗍𝗁𝖾𝗒/𝗍𝗁𝖾𝗆)clearly debian doesn't rename all packages that have patches. which would indeed be overkill.16:48:58
@obfusk:matrix.org幸猫 (𝗍𝗁𝖾𝗒/𝗍𝗁𝖾𝗆)but iirc debian had neomutt (which started out as a collection of patches) as the mutt package for a while and had to switch back because there were so many patches that it wasn't reasonable to use the same name any more.16:51:01
@obfusk:matrix.org幸猫 (𝗍𝗁𝖾𝗒/𝗍𝗁𝖾𝗆)anyway, thx for the feedback :)16:51:32
@_oftc_jochensp:matrix.orgjochenspDebian still has mutt and neomutt18:35:52
@_oftc_jochensp:matrix.orgjochenspand normally we see something as non free if the license is only for a specific group (like F-Droid) and I would argue that we should not accept such apps18:36:58
@obfusk:matrix.org幸猫 (𝗍𝗁𝖾𝗒/𝗍𝗁𝖾𝗆)
In reply to @_oftc_jochensp:matrix.org
Debian still has mutt and neomutt
yes, but for a while the "mutt" package was actually neomutt.

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