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14 Jan 2022
@_oftc_jochensp:matrix.orgjochenspwe could do a first hack to convert v1 to v2 as a separate script like I started already15:38:39
@eighthave:matrix.org_hcyeah, sounds like a good starting point15:39:04
@eighthave:matrix.org_hcjust quick and dirty to see what it looks like15:39:20
@eighthave:matrix.org_hcI think there is a good chance to get it working in a day, in a basic way15:39:53
@_oftc_jochensp:matrix.orgjochenspand adding a minimal version for 2345 should be as well15:39:58
@eighthave:matrix.org_hcand that will give us a lot of info15:40:01
@_oftc_jochensp:matrix.orgjochenspfor me the biggest question is what the client needs, like duplication the packageid wie discussed the other day15:40:49
@eighthave:matrix.org_hcregarding 2345, I'd rather wait on seeing the results of the diff than do something like that. It is something that has been discussed many times over the years15:40:50
@_oftc_jochensp:matrix.orgjochensp2345 and diff are different dimensions to me15:41:18
@eighthave:matrix.org_hcI remember looking into how Google Play handles it. At that time, they didn't. They just showed a white loading screen on first use. They have a large team that focuses on first impressions, so I figured they thought it was too hard to do. Donno the current status15:42:03
@_oftc_jochensp:matrix.orgjochenspnot sure that is a good argument ;)15:42:26
@eighthave:matrix.org_hcbecause we're 100x more efficient than google devs? 15:42:47
@_oftc_Licaon_Kter[xmpp]:matrix.orgLicaon_Kter[xmpp]It connects to their servers on first chance, updates included apps even without Play login..e15:43:06
@_oftc_jochensp:matrix.orgjochenspalso we have different designs so something could be doable for us that is hard for them15:43:58
@_oftc_jochensp:matrix.orgjochenspor they just never experienced the waiting time because of network15:44:14
@_oftc_jochensp:matrix.orgjochenspand I guess Play does not download all app information at once15:44:40
@eighthave:matrix.org_hcthey have a large UX and QA teams that covers exactly that kind of stuff 15:44:43
@_oftc_jochensp:matrix.orgjochensp _hc: I still don't think that makes it a good argument 15:45:11
@eighthave:matrix.org_hci have an exgirlfriend who was on the UX team at Google at the time15:45:14
@eighthave:matrix.org_hcI know how they work, and the resources that have15:45:29
@_oftc_jochensp:matrix.orgjochenspand F-Droid is better, still :D15:45:50
@eighthave:matrix.org_hcyes of course, but they still have vastly more resources than us, so we need to be realistic and strategic with our time15:46:25
@_oftc_jochensp:matrix.orgjochensp (I'm over time this month anyhow so whatever I do, I do for free) 15:47:19
@_oftc_Licaon_Kter[xmpp]:matrix.orgLicaon_Kter[xmpp] > i have an exgirlfriend who was on the UX team at Google at the time 15:48:16
@_oftc_Licaon_Kter[xmpp]:matrix.orgLicaon_Kter[xmpp] > I know how they work, and the resources that have 15:48:16
@_oftc_Licaon_Kter[xmpp]:matrix.orgLicaon_Kter[xmpp]Inside information? :))15:48:17
@_oftc_jochensp:matrix.orgjochensp grote: I'm happy to provide whatever index would make sense for you to test 15:48:17
@eighthave:matrix.org_hc
In reply to @_oftc_jochensp:matrix.org
(I'm over time this month anyhow so whatever I do, I do for free)
I'm not thinking about the grant money here, I'm thinking that we have limited dev time and much to do to improve F-Droid, so we need to stay focused on delivering the good in a timely manner. As much as I like perfection, I also have learned through experience that the perfect is the enemy of the good.
15:50:48
@_oftc_jochensp:matrix.orgjochenspI understand that and I feel capable of handling that15:51:45
@eighthave:matrix.org_hcof course, if its fun work, rather than work work, that's also important, and I don't want to block that from happening. I'd just hate to see other things get blocked by waiting for the perfect index overhaul15:51:51

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