| 21 Feb 2021 |
 @SylvieLorxu:matrix.org | At least complaining has a higher chance of someone who does know what is going on possibly finally speaking up than just staying silent forever does | 18:59:30 |
 jochensp | the one who knows is not here | 19:00:10 |
| jochensp | and think about that complaining has a demotivating factor as well | 19:00:26 |
| @SylvieLorxu:matrix.org | The status quo has a demotivating factor for all F-Droid users and developers. All the users are frustrated their app updates don't show up. All the developers are frustrated they keep getting emails about bugs they fixed a week ago. People like me and izzy are frustrated because we want to help but can do nothing and can't even explain to people what is happening | 19:02:54 |
| jochensp | agreed | 19:04:00 |
 proletarius101 | Well, looks like the pressure to improve the build toolchain performance is stronger and stronger, which means some simple fixes could have higher chance to be applied | 19:21:18 |
| proletarius101 | Actually _hc has talked about some potential improvement vectors on matrix, but we'd better put them on GitLab such that more people who are concerning this would have a chance to help (hopefully)https://gitlab.com/fdroid/fdroidserver/-/merge_requests/862 | 19:25:50 |
| jochensp | proletarius101: there is no need for pressure, we all want to improve the situation, but we are lacking time and contributors | 19:30:35 |
| @SylvieLorxu:matrix.org | Are we? Because I count several people wanting to help but not having enough information to | 19:31:06 |
| proletarius101 | In reply to @freenode_jochensp:matrix.org
proletarius101: there is no need for pressure, we all want to improve the situation, but we are lacking time and contributors Are there any timelines or to-do list that I can try to work on some issues! | 19:32:03 |
| jochensp | proletarius101: have a look at the issue tracker | 19:32:48 |
| proletarius101 | * Are there any timelines or to-do list that I can try to work on some issues? | 19:33:05 |
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| proletarius101 | In reply to @freenode_jochensp:matrix.org
proletarius101: have a look at the issue tracker I mean the build server performance ones. I don't see many (only 1?) | 19:36:51 |
| proletarius101 | jochensp since you are more familiar with the build server than me, do you know what portion takes the longest time in the build process, given the fact that 20min per job v.s. 3min per app's real build time? | 19:44:03 |
| jochensp | proletarius101: no, but you could just setup your own build server and find out :) | 19:45:22 |
| proletarius101 | Since some people say the startup time is not a big issue, maybe it shouldn't download each dependency and file and prepare the environment | 19:46:02 |
| proletarius101 | But rather, they should be freeze into the box image | 19:46:19 |
| proletarius101 | Then we only need to prepare the box image once, and use it just when it boots | 19:46:52 |
| jochensp | proletarius101: please send a PR :) | 19:47:25 |
| jochensp | (or MR) | 19:47:31 |
| proletarius101 | In reply to @freenode_jochensp:matrix.org
proletarius101: no, but you could just setup your own build server and find out :) That's my observation of the vargent file and the ansible file | 19:47:57 |
| proletarius101 | In reply to @freenode_jochensp:matrix.org
proletarius101: please send a PR :) Yes I can and I'm trying to make some | 19:48:44 |
| proletarius101 | In reply to @freenode_jochensp:matrix.org
proletarius101: please send a PR :) And I asked here just in case the idea it self will be objected | 19:49:51 |
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 mondstern | In reply to @SylvieLorxu:matrix.org
The status quo has a demotivating factor for all F-Droid users and developers. All the users are frustrated their app updates don't show up. All the developers are frustrated they keep getting emails about bugs they fixed a week ago. People like me and izzy are frustrated because we want to help but can do nothing and can't even explain to people what is happening Ciaran must have outgrown his baby and now he has too much to do. Or he has no more desire or is ill. I would assume so. | 21:08:51 |
| jochensp | Ciaran has other things to do but helps if we come up with a new home for the build server, please don't spread speculations | 21:14:15 |
| @SylvieLorxu:matrix.org | But isn't Ciaran the only one who can sign the APKs and thus there is no use in moving the build server anywhere else? | 21:22:34 |
